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November 03, 2008

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Joe Visitor

WOW! I was out of town yesterday, so I didn't get to see your message yet (still waiting on it to be uploaded on the website). You are really coming down hard on that one person that left negative feedback. Why not focus on all the POSITIVE remarks you got? For some reason, our leaders really have a problem accepting criticism, either constructive or destructive. "How can someone be so stinkin selfish" you ask...why do you have to be so stinkin defensive? Lighten up a bit, rise above it, Clark!

Hungry Too

Clark: You talk about ministering to adults and then get hostile when adults tell you what they need. Your "talks" are getting more and more shallow - you seem to think the church is something like an Amway oranization where you need to continually grow your network instead of a place for people to come and be fed on the word. I think your hostility stems from the fact that you are an uneducated youth minister that is in way over his head. Get into the word, "study to show yourself approved, a workman rightly dividing the word of truth". Read books on theology instead of books about how to be a leader of some sort of "organization".

David Little

You folks are big and brave. you call out Clark but you have to hide behind the anonymity of ficticious names like a little kid. that is offensive by any standard.

i don't pretend to speak for the church nor Clark, but you guys need to find another church. you think he enjoys talking about the church finances? i assure you not. does he step on our toes? absolutely. but that's our fault. additionally, we need to know as a church where we are a few times every year.

if you are not 'fed' enough, buy a bible. the church was not created to be your sole source.


Joe Visitor

Apparently, the Nov 3 posts from "Hungry Too" and myself really hit a nerve as later this week, the original "Brain Dump" blog entry by Clark was edited, and all the negative references to the "selfish pig" member has since been removed. The comments from both of us are merited. And now, Hungry Too is being attacked by the recent daily blogs by Clark (does this remind you of the Obama campaigns unmerited assaults on Joe the Plumber???)

I wasn't criticizing Clark's messages, I enjoy Clark's messages and respect him a lot!! I was just pointing out that he seemed to grossly overreact to a member's comments and take it way too personal. Journey staff really needs to get off of their pedestal and learn that they are not beyond reproach. Feedback is not always positive and warm and fuzzy. Sometimes it is negative, but sometimes it's the truth and we need to hear it!

Clark's comments were so out of line and unfair to the member that he labeled as "so selfish and a pig"! We look up to our pastors to exemplify the love of God, and Clark's attack on that member was definitely not an example of God's love for his people. I understand that our pastors are not perfect, and I forgive Clark for his rude comments on his blog, but I do think a public apology to the selfish pig is definitely in order.

(FYI to David Little...my name is Joseph David, so why is that anonymous?)

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